Climate expert Jonathan Overpeck, dean of the University of Michigan School for Environment and Sustainability, does not sugarcoat things.

The words “scary,” “depressing” and “devastating” come up when he talks about the impacts of climate change, including record warmth and drought conditions. But he also doesn’t ignore how communities across the country and around the world are finding ways to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions and fossil fuel consumption.

Overpeck joined the Michigan Minds podcast to discuss recent trends in climate news—both good and bad—and what people can do to stay resilient.

The podcast originally appeared on the Michigan News website.